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Old 05-07-2008, 12:31 PM
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Default Re: Is creationism defensible?

Wow, so many problems with what you wrote, I don't even know where to start. You seem to be making a lot of excuses. The slavery thing alone I could have a field day with.

What can I say. The Old Testament is automatically disqualified as being the word of God just on the "kill the non-believer" items it asserts. No clear-thinking modern adult free from serious emotional needs would think God issued orders or condoned butchering people for just not believing the same religion, even if it was your own family or children. All these religions with "kill the non-believer" are BS. Let's stop pretending otherwise and kidding ourselves.

My favorite was your excuse-making and attempt to soften slavery. Kids were purchased and never to see their families again. The notion that God would issue beating guidelines for people as if they are property is absurd. Yet, that is what we find in the Bible.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Gee, thanks God. You can mutilate and beat your human property to death, as long as the slave takes a few days to die.

You want to turn the Bible into some sort of divine work that can tell us about the origin of humans. "Creationism" is not defensible, which is the topic. It's one particular set of views from a particular set of people written back when stoning someone for being gay, cursing, or a fortune teller was AOK.

Yet, people still want it to be taught or explored in a SCIENCE class due to their emotional needs to have their subjective delusions or feelings be acknowledged or respected.

Please, keep the fantasy to yourself. We don't need to muddy the sciences and teach kids this nonsense. Any club that is or was AOK with beating people as property or killing others just for not believing is in the realm of archaic nonsense. Stop pretending it isn't or trying romanticize it.

You asked some questions. You asked:

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God created the world in seven days as recoreded in the Bible; maybe in the not too distant past.
I hope you are not one of those people who want to pretend that the Earth is only 7000 years old or whatever and dinosaurs were not around hundreds of millions of years ago. Some religious fanatics even try to pretend dinosaurs were on the Ark. I put that right up there with slugs that teleported from other continents to get the Ark. You don't have to worry about stuff like that when you are an archaic dude writing the Bible, though. No one else knows about extinct species, evolution, or other continents and the absurdity of suggesting all current species on Earth were once in an Ark. That's the kind of muddying we should keep away from the kids.

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Questions that I have:
-Is this unscientific?
YES, the 7 day thing not too long ago it is unscientific. There is a tremendous amount of scientific evidence in overlapping fields of study that demonstrate the Earth was formed LONG ago, not pretty recently.


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-Chould creationsim be explored scientifically?
No, for obvious reasons. It's not a science, it's a feeling or faith.

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-Chould evidence for creation be taught in a science class?
No, there is evidence people believe in flying lesbian tomato monsters that create planets by vomiting them out. We don't need to study evidence of this by looking at an old book that claims such a monster spit out planets.



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If not then how about a religion class?
Yes, teach a religion in a class for that so that parents and people who want to indulge themselves in archaic absurdity and emotional pacification can go where it is safe and sound from real science.


It's offensive to suggest kids should learn this junk as science. Hopefully you would not work to promote it in public schools where our tax dollars would fund the muddying and superstitious origins of your ideas and views.
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